A brief comment on "homosexual priests" all being "molesters" who should "not be allowed" in the priesthood according to an idiot:
it is NOT true that "all priest who are molesting children are gay" because molestation is not sex, it is violence, therefore it is NOT a sexual preference it is a CRIME. A person's choice of victim (which is learned -PEDOPHILES ARE FIRST VICTIMS, THEN PERPETRATORS--is not the same as what kind of person a gay man is are attracted to -(which has been proven to be INBORN, not LEARNED) in terms of who they want to date, fall in love with and marry (or just dally with, like any heterosexual might).. When looked at squarely, your argument does not hold water--because molestation only involves sex like stabbing involves a knife, a means to hurt, not the reason itself, You can chop vegetables with a knife, it is just a tool, just like sex is to the molester. That is why only "30% of convicted molesters are admitted gays" according to someone above, when the sex of victims may not have the same proportion--the sex of the victim is not due to sexual preference, it is due to the warped needs of the perpetrator because of his/her pathology. I just don't understand why people who are ignorant of how pedophilia works insist on acting like they know what's going on. Study after study has been done on these people and all you spout are homophobic half-truths that have little to do with any real science. Get a grip and do some research before you condemn more children to be molested because you ignore the "heterosexual" priests because they don't flame the way you expect..
Monday, January 27, 2014
A response to someone on SodaHead claiming that Obama is a "Communist Dictator" I also posted to FB:
Fidel Castro was a communist dictator. Kim Jong Il....Josef Stalin...are you comparing living in a country where you can openly complain, protest, vote out of office, impeach, if warranted, countermand if supported, any leader we have to any of these regimes? There is NOTHING--NOTHING any president of the United States could do that would make himself a communist dictator, even were he a much stronger, supported leader than any we have had since FDR. I mean do you know ANYTHING about the stucture and function of the US Government? Have you SEEN or HEARD how many things that the administration has tried to do and had to get the support of other ELECTED members of Government to make them law? You act like the President can act unilaterally all over the place and get away with it--well, in most cases, he CANNOT, there are checks and balances. In most cases what you are seeing is what a majority (albeit a smaller one than usual) of the people elected their leaders to do. Just because the minority VEHEMENTLY opposes that will does not make the actions unilateral, communist, or wrong. (or right). Whether it is constitutional, will be decided by some extremely learned and thoughtful men on both sides of the fence with a HUGE amount of precedent behind them, I think we'd better trust the system for the most part to protect the minority from other minorities and the majority to do what is fair, not what people "want" to be right or what "seems" to be right, but what is FAIR, what is GOOD in the LONG run, not what suits the RICH, or the STRONG, just because they think they can push everyone around, but what is JUST.
Wednesday, January 15, 2014
A comment From an article about the OK judge ruling on Gay Marriage in the Tulsa World posted by
Robert Knight at 11:54 pm on Tue, Jan 14, 2014.
separation of church and state clearly delineated by founding fathers-
The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law RESPECTING AN ESTABLISHMENT OF RELIGION, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.
For idiots this might be hard to understand, but for logical thinking people it's pretty damned clear, this means that you cannot pass laws simply because your religion says it is supposed to be "this way". Your religion has NO PLACE IN LAW! Period.
For clarification perhaps one need only actually read anything that the founding fathers wrote on the subject, and there is plenty to read.
“If I could conceive that the general government might ever be so administered as to render the liberty of conscience insecure, I beg you will be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the HORRORS of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.”
~George Washington, letter to the United Baptist Chamber of Virginia, May 1789
“The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses.”
~John Adams, “A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America” 1787-1788
“I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibit the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state.”
~Thomas Jefferson, letter to the Baptists of Danbury, Connecticut, 1802- See the words "Wall of Separation" actually come from Jefferson himself.
“In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own. It is error alone that needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.”
~Thomas Jefferson, in a letter to Horatio Spofford, 1814
“I am for freedom of religion and against all maneuvers to bring about a legal ascendancy of one sect over another.”
~Thomas Jefferson, letter to Elbridge Gerry, January 26, 1799
“History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.”
~Thomas Jefferson: in letter to Alexander von Humboldt, December 6, 1813
“Because religious belief, or non-belief, is such an important part of every person’s life, freedom of religion affects every individual. State churches that use government power to support themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths undermine all our civil rights. Moreover, state support of the church tends to make the clergy unresponsive to the people and leads to corruption within religion. Erecting the “wall of separation between church and state,” therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society.
We have solved … the great and interesting question whether freedom of religion is compatible with order in government and obedience to the laws. And we have experienced the quiet as well as the comfort which results from leaving every one to profess freely and openly those principles of religion which are the inductions of his own reason and the serious convictions of his own inquiries.”
~Thomas Jefferson: in a speech to the Virginia Baptists (1808)
Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.”
~Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814
“The civil government … functions with complete success … by the total separation of the Church from the State.”
~James Madison, 1819, Writings, 8:432, quoted from Gene Garman, “Essays In Addition to America’s Real Religion”- see there are those words again, separation of church and state that you want to deny.
“And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
~James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822
I could go on, but simply put, unless you're a complete idiot I have proven my point. BTW, you are free to look up every one of those quotes, I went ahead and even listed the letters and writings which they were included in. Go ahead and read them yourself, then you might realize that when the constitution was written it was pretty much assumed that the words ,"shall not respect the establishment of" was pretty clear. It is only in later generations that people have tried to pervert what was written, and at the time understood.
There are many quotes talking about "providence" implying God had something to do with it, but this does not mean the "Christian God" by any means, because the Founding Fathers were NOT all Christian, some were Deists, Some Christian, some Masonic, some Atheist, some Agnostic, some Theist without being Deist or Christian at all.
Robert Knight at 11:54 pm on Tue, Jan 14, 2014.
[One of the best collections of Quotes Showing the intent of the Founding fathers of the separation of Church and State in Article I of the Constitution of the United States, as ruled by the Supreme Court:as well as debunking the myth of the "Christian Nation"]
separation of church and state clearly delineated by founding fathers-
The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law RESPECTING AN ESTABLISHMENT OF RELIGION, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.
For idiots this might be hard to understand, but for logical thinking people it's pretty damned clear, this means that you cannot pass laws simply because your religion says it is supposed to be "this way". Your religion has NO PLACE IN LAW! Period.
For clarification perhaps one need only actually read anything that the founding fathers wrote on the subject, and there is plenty to read.
“If I could conceive that the general government might ever be so administered as to render the liberty of conscience insecure, I beg you will be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the HORRORS of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.”
~George Washington, letter to the United Baptist Chamber of Virginia, May 1789
“The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses.”
~John Adams, “A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America” 1787-1788
“I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibit the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state.”
~Thomas Jefferson, letter to the Baptists of Danbury, Connecticut, 1802- See the words "Wall of Separation" actually come from Jefferson himself.
“In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own. It is error alone that needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.”
~Thomas Jefferson, in a letter to Horatio Spofford, 1814
“I am for freedom of religion and against all maneuvers to bring about a legal ascendancy of one sect over another.”
~Thomas Jefferson, letter to Elbridge Gerry, January 26, 1799
“History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.”
~Thomas Jefferson: in letter to Alexander von Humboldt, December 6, 1813
“Because religious belief, or non-belief, is such an important part of every person’s life, freedom of religion affects every individual. State churches that use government power to support themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths undermine all our civil rights. Moreover, state support of the church tends to make the clergy unresponsive to the people and leads to corruption within religion. Erecting the “wall of separation between church and state,” therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society.
We have solved … the great and interesting question whether freedom of religion is compatible with order in government and obedience to the laws. And we have experienced the quiet as well as the comfort which results from leaving every one to profess freely and openly those principles of religion which are the inductions of his own reason and the serious convictions of his own inquiries.”
~Thomas Jefferson: in a speech to the Virginia Baptists (1808)
Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.”
~Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814
“The civil government … functions with complete success … by the total separation of the Church from the State.”
~James Madison, 1819, Writings, 8:432, quoted from Gene Garman, “Essays In Addition to America’s Real Religion”- see there are those words again, separation of church and state that you want to deny.
“And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
~James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822
I could go on, but simply put, unless you're a complete idiot I have proven my point. BTW, you are free to look up every one of those quotes, I went ahead and even listed the letters and writings which they were included in. Go ahead and read them yourself, then you might realize that when the constitution was written it was pretty much assumed that the words ,"shall not respect the establishment of" was pretty clear. It is only in later generations that people have tried to pervert what was written, and at the time understood.
There are many quotes talking about "providence" implying God had something to do with it, but this does not mean the "Christian God" by any means, because the Founding Fathers were NOT all Christian, some were Deists, Some Christian, some Masonic, some Atheist, some Agnostic, some Theist without being Deist or Christian at all.
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